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THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM UM, STARTING WITH ROLL CALL, JESSICA HAMILTON.ERIC APPROACHED AND THEN PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, ITS LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE.
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UM, DO WE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? UH, TOMORROW FROM FIVE 30 TO EIGHT 30 IS AUBREY'S TREE LIGHTING EVENT.WE'LL HAVE, UH, VARIOUS FENDERS OUT.
UH, THERE WILL BE HOT CHOCOLATE, UH, SUGAR COOKIE DECORATING STATION, AND, UH, PICTURES WITH SANTA.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK
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AND ACTION ON APPOINTING A CHAIRPERSON FOR A ONE YEAR TERM.DO WE KNOW OF ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BE THE CHAIRPERSON? I MEAN, SHALL WE JUST PUT HER UP THERE AND
I NOMINATE COURTNEY, DO WE NEED TO READ IT AS THE BLUE? NO.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT NOMINATION FOR COURTNEY.
OH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THEN CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON APPOINTING A VICE CHAIRPERSON FOR ONE YEAR TERM.
WHO WAS THE LAST VICE CHAIR? COURTNEY, I THINK I SAY I THINK IT WAS COURTNEY
DOES ANYBODY WANNA BE VICE? YEAH, YOUR SENIOR.
[Consent Items]
ITEMS PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR CONSIDERED ROUTINE IN NATURE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL.THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION.
ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA BY THE REQUEST OF COUNSEL, BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON THE FOLLOWING.
SO APPROVING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER FOURTH'S MEETING YOU DO
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ BOTH OF THEM? UM, APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM
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NOVEMBER'S MEETING AND THEN APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM BOARD MEMBERS IDENTIFIED AND THE STAFF REPORT AS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE FROM THE NOVEMBER 4TH MEETING.REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, OH, I SHOULD SAY PARKS BOARD.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
DO WE VOTE ON THAT TOO? ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
[Department Updates and Discussion]
RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON PARK PROJECTS.UM, THE ROOF ON THE P PAVILION HAS BEEN RE-ROOFED.
UM, THE SUNSHADES HAVE NOT BEEN INSTALLED, SO WHENEVER THEY'RE DRILLING PIERS, UH, THEY HIT GROUNDWATER.
UM, WHICH THAT KIND OF DELAYS THE PROCESS.
THERE'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED WHENEVER YOU HIT GROUNDWATER.
UM, SO IN ORDER TO DRILL THE PIERS AND ACTUALLY POUR THE CONCRETE FOR THE FOOTINGS, YOU'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO ENCASE IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO SEEPAGE OF THE WATER INTO THE ACTUAL CONCRETE.
UM, WITH US BEING SO CLOSE TO THE TREE LIGHTING EVENT TOMORROW, I HAD THEM PUSH IT OFF UNTIL THURSDAY.
UM, THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY INCOMPLETE CONSTRUCTION WHILE WE HAVE AN EVENT WITH SUCH A MASSIVE OUTCOME.
UM, SO WE'VE PUSHED THAT OFF TILL THURSDAY.
UM, HOPEFULLY THEY CAN GET THAT FIGURED OUT AND WE CAN GET THOSE SUN SHEETS INSTALLED.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST PUSHBACK.
UH, REALLY JUST FOR SAFETY FOR THE EVENT, UM, WE ARE DOING A PUNCH LIST WALK.
UM, AND THAT WILL PUT US THAT MUCH CLOSER TO A FINAL ACCEPTANCE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CLOSE ON VETERANS.
THERE'S JUST A FEW, UH, OUTSTANDING PUNCH LIST ITEMS, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOTTA GET THE SUN SHADES OUT.
UM, WINDRIDGE FIRST RESPONDERS PART, WE'RE STILL ON TRACK TO COMPLETE MID TO LATE JANUARY.
UM, THEY'VE GOT A GOOD CHUNK OF THE DOG PARK SIDE COMPLETED.
UH, THEY ARE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING THE, UH, TURF INSTALLED ON THE DOG PARK SIDE.
UM, I BELIEVE WEDNESDAY LAST WEEK, THEY WERE ACTUALLY POURING CONCRETE FOR THE, UM, THE DOG FEATURES IN THE DOG PARK.
LIKE THE BIG HILLS AND EVERYTHING THAT GO THROUGH IT.
SO, UH, THEY'RE MAKING VERY GOOD PROGRESS OVER THERE.
UM, I THINK THE DOG PARK SHOULD BE COMPLETED MID-DECEMBER, UH, AND THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THE REST OF THE PARK DONE MID TO LATE JANUARY.
UM, SO VETE PARK, LUCKILY WE HAVE THE ENGINEERS BEHIND US.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF STILL ON A HOLD AT THE MOMENT.
UM, THERE IS STREET ITEMS THAT STILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, MCNAT ROAD, RIGHT? SO, UH, ONCE THAT ALL KIND OF GETS FIGURED OUT, UM, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROGRESS.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, UH, FIGURING OUT THE STREET SITUATION, UM, THAT WAY WE ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS INTO THE PARK.
SO, UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
UM, AND THEN RECEIVE A PRESENTATION FROM WESTWOOD REGARDING THE DESIGN AND COST ASSESSMENT FOR THE OUTDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX, AND THEN DISCUSSION.
WELL, THIS IS THE MOMENT WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR, SO WE'LL GET WESTWOOD UP HERE.
UM, AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A PRESENTATION ON AUBREY SPORTS COMPLEX, UH, WITH SOME DIFFERENT CONCEPT IDEAS AND, UH, THEY'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE, UH, SPECIFICS THERE.
TRISHA
YEAH, IT SHOULD JUST LITTLE BIT.
WELL, I'LL JUST, UH, JUST POINT WAITING
UM, WE WE'RE WANTING TO SHOW, UM, THE, OUR GOALS TODAY IS TO, TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS, UH, UM, DEVELOPING THESE LAST FEW WEEKS.
AGAIN, THESE GUIDING PRINCIPLES HAVE BEEN OUR, OUR MAIN FOCUS, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE EFFICIENCY IN THE REAL ESTATE, THAT
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SINCE WE DID PROVIDE US WITH A HEP LIST OF AMENITIES AND GOALS FOR THE PROJECT.AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, WERE EFFICIENT IN THE LAYOUT IN ALL FIELDS AND, AND MAKING SURE CIRCULATION AND EVERYTHING IS, IS INCORPORATED AS, AS WELL AS SAFETY AND NAME AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AS WELL.
BUT, UM, IN THE END, WE WANNA BE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE A REALLY NICE, UM, COMMUNITY IDENTITY AND BRANDING FOR THE CITY THAT YOU GUYS CAN BE PROUD OF.
SO WE HAVE, IN ALL OF THE CONCEPTS, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, THEY ALL HAVE ABOUT FOUR 20 APPROXIMATELY A GIVE OR TAKE OF PARKING.
UM, WE WANNA ALSO PROVIDE A MAIN ACCESS FROM, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE, YES.
AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER POINT OF EGRESS AND INGRESS AND EGRESS, AND WE'LL HAVE A LOOP TRAIL ALSO, THEN MAKING SURE WE HAVE A QUAD, SO FALL FIELDS.
AND THOSE ARE AGAIN, OPENING FOCUS HERE.
WE'VE GOT HERE ON THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT, THREE YOUTH BALL FIELDS, ONE LARGE BALL FIELD.
AND THEN ON THE NORTH YOU'LL SEE A LARGE STOCKER THAT THEN CAN BE CONVERTED INTO SMALLER, UM, SOCCER FIELDS, AND THEN EVEN SMALLER SOCCER ON THE EAST OF THAT.
THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE WILL PROVIDE A SMALL RESTROOM FACILITY.
AND AGAIN, IN ALL OF THESE OPTIONS, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE GOT A MAIN CONCESSION AREA IN THE CENTER.
THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS INCORPORATED WITHIN THE COMPLEX, AND THAT WAY ONCE IT'S FENCE IN, PARENTS ARE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR KIDS PLAY AND THEN ALSO BE ABLE TO WALK AWAY IF THEY WANTED TO AND, AND WATCH THEIR OTHER KIDS PLAY BASEBALL.
UM, AND THEN ALSO YOU'VE GOT THE, THE OTHER MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
YOU'LL SEE AGAIN, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE PROVIDED SIMILAR AMOUNT OF PARKING.
UM, AND THIS ONE WE PROVIDED TWO LARGE FIELDS AND TWO SMALLER FIELDS.
AND THIS CONFIGURATION ALLOWS US TO HAVE, UM, THIS, THE SAME LARGE SOCCER FIELD ON THE NORTH, BUT ALSO THEN THREE SMALLER FIELDS.
SO THIS IS A BIT MORE, UM, EFFICIENT WITH THE FIELD LAYOUT.
HOWEVER, YOU'VE GOT, UM, A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION AS FAR AS HAVING THE PLAY.
YOU WON'T HAVE THE CENTRAL CONCESSION AREA, UM, WITHIN THE FOUR COMPLEX, HOWEVER, IT'S STILL WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE AND, AND NOT TOO FAR.
UM, IT REALLY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE PERIPHERAL, UM, ENTRY AND EGRESS FOR PARKING.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THE LOOPT TRAIL ALL AROUND NEXT.
AND THIS ONE, SIMILAR TO WHAT I KNOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHER, UM, CITIES, IS THE MORE CLASSIC CONFIGURATION WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE NORTH, SOUTH OF THE LARGE AND THEN TOO SMALL.
AND I THINK THIS HAS A MORE, UM, DYNAMIC APPROACH TO THE, THE COMPLEX CONFIGURATION.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR CENTRAL CONCESSION HERE, YOU'VE GOT YOUR LOOP TRAIL, AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF HAVING, UM, EFFICIENCY IN YOUR BALL FIELD.
WE DID, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE A PRACTICE FIELD ON THE NORTH END HERE, BUT WE DID HAVE TO SACRIFICE THE SOCCER FIELD, BUT WE STILL WERE ABLE TO PUT TWO ON THE NORTH END.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS RATHER QUICKLY, AS MOST OF Y'ALL DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEERING BACKGROUND AND ALL HONESTY'S PRETTY BORING.
UM, JUST FOR REFERENCE, A CUBIC YARD IS BASICALLY ONE YARD BY ONE YARD BY ONE YARD.
SO THREE FEET BY FEET BY BY THREE.
IT'S A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF DIRT, ABOUT EIGHT CUBIC YARDS FIT IN THE DUMP TRUCK, WHICH MASSIVE DUMP TRUCK ONLY FITS EIGHT.
OPTION ONE FROM A GRADING PERSPECTIVE HAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND CUBIC YARDS PLUS OF HAUL OFF, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO GET RID OF A LOT OF DIRT.
I MEAN, THAT'S OVER 30,000 TON TRUCKS, SO THAT WILL DRIVE THE PRICE UP.
THAT'S HONESTLY THE BIGGEST CAVEAT TO OPTION ONE IS IT WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE DUE ALMOST STRICTLY TO THE GRADING OF THE SITE.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOME DEVELOPERS MIGHT BE SUPER HAPPY BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING A TON OF DIRT AND THAT MIGHT DRIVE THE PRICE DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU STILL GOTTA HAUL IT OFF AND DOWN THE STREET.
SO THAT'LL RING THAT PRICE UP AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
OPTION TWO IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, SO IT'S AROUND 40,000 KIP YARDS STILL QUITE A BIT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD TRY TO MASSAGE THAT.
WE WOULD'VE BURNS WHERE WE, WHERE WE COULD, WE TRY TO KEEP SOME STUFF ON SITE WHERE POSSIBLE.
UM, THIS IS MORE IN THE REALM OF REALITY.
IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER, BUT IT'S SOMETHING MANAGEABLE AND THE PRICE WILL ALSO BE
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REFLECTING OF THAT.UH, THIRD OPTION IS THE CLOSEST TO ZERO THAT WE'RE GONNA GET.
12,000 IS PRETTY MUCH THE BEST YOU CAN DO FOR THE SIZE OF THIS SITE.
UM, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, AFTER I TALK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT, I'LL HAVE A STRATEGY ON HOW TO GET RID OF THIS DIRT.
LITTLE MORE SPO OPTION TWO AND THREE.
THERE'S NO GOOD STRATEGY FOR OPTION ONE EXCEPT JUST GETTING RID OF IT.
SO WITH OPTION ONE TO THE NORTH, THEY'RE DOING A LIFT STATION THROUGH BUR OFF.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GRAY RIGHT THERE.
UM, THE THOUGHT WAS TO ADD THE EXTRA DIRT UP THERE, KIND OF SPREAD IT OUT IN THAT FIELD, RAISE EVERYTHING UP A FOOT OR TWO, AND NOW WE'LL GET RID OF AROUND 20,000 FEET YARDS.
SO OPTION ONE, WE DON'T EVEN, WE'RE STILL AT 80,000.
OPTION TWO WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK CLOSER TO 20.
AND THEN OPTION THREE WE'RE NET ZERO, PERFECT WORLD.
SO THAT ARE THE BIG DRIVERS OF COST, WHICH IS WHY THESE NUMBERS ARE FLUCTUATE SO MUCH.
UM, IN TERMS OF COST, THE OTHER DRIVER WOULD BE IF IT IS SO, OR ARTIFICIAL TURF.
IN ALL OF THESE INSTANCES, I ASSUMED ARTIFICIAL 'CAUSE IT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE.
SO RIGHT NOW FROM I UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET IS AROUND 25 MILLION, AND IF YOU ADD A CONTINGENCY, WHICH CONTINGENCY IS JUST LIKE INFLATION DUE TO SOMETHING IN THE FAN, YOU ALWAYS TRY TO KEEP THAT BUFFER.
AS WE GET THE DESIGN FURTHER ALONG, THAT NUMBER WILL GO DOWN, BUT FOR NOW WE'RE HOLDING IT AT 15%.
UM, OBVIOUSLY OPTION THREE IS 30 MILLION, TWO IS 28, AND OPTION THREE IS RIGHT AROUND THAT GOLDEN IN 25 WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF OPTION TWO ALSO BEING BROUGHT, BEING BROUGHT TO THAT 25.
BUT I TRY TO BE CONSERVATIVE, UM, BECAUSE THAT IN FUTURE, DEPENDING UPON OFFSITE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS BEING DONE THROUGH A SEPARATE PROJECT, THE EARTH WORK BEING SOLD TO A NEW BY ADJACENT DEVELOPERS, A HAUL OFF THEIR OWN COSTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, BUT IN MY OPINION, THE OPTION TWO OR THREE, THAT'S FROM ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
I KNOW WE HAD TALKED THROUGH ALSO WITH KURT, THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING ALL THE FIELDS BEING JUST THE SMALL FIELDS AND THAT COULD ALSO BE A DRIVER FOR THE COST.
AND SO THE, THESE ARE AGAIN, JUST ON INITIAL NUMBERS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH, AND OBVIOUSLY WE WILL DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MASSAGE IT DOWN THE ROAD ONCE WE GET INTO FULL DESIGN.
AND AGAIN, UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AS FAR AS ARTIFICIAL TURF AND NATURAL TURF.
SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION HERE THAT WE'VE GOT IN THE NEXT TWO SLIDES.
BUT, UM, JUST TO SUMMARIZE IT FOR, FOR YOU ALL, UM, THE ARTIFICIAL TURF, THE PROS AND CONS VERSUS JUST THE NATURAL FOR ARTIFICIAL, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ARE ABLE TO PLAY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHEN THERE'S A RAIN EVENT.
UM, THERE'S, UH, CONSISTENCY IN, IN THE FIELDS, THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF IT, UM, AND ALSO THE MAINTENANCE A FACTOR OF, OF, OF THAT TURF.
NOW, FOR THE NATURAL, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A MORE TRADITIONAL MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE USED TO AND, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED TO BE REPLACED, ALTHOUGH WITH MULTIPLE PLAY YOU WILL GET RUTS.
THERE IS SOME, UM, POSSIBILITY OF, YOU KNOW, IMPERFECT BALANCE AND THAT KIND OF THING AS WELL.
SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS IN ALL OF THESE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU, YOU'RE WELCOME TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN THE NEXT TWO SLIDES.
AND WITH THE FIELDS, THE WHOLE FIELD WOULD BE ARTIFICIAL TURF, SO THE GRASS AND THE INFIELD.
WHILE WITH THE GRASS, THE ACTUAL SOD, SOD, IT WOULD BE CLAY IN FIELDS, IT'S GRASS EVERYWHERE ELSE.
SO CLAY IS ALSO A MAINTENANCE PROBLEM.
WE BRING INDER OR FILL IT IN, RAKE IT OUT, FIX TRIPS, LIFE A LITTLE MORE.
IF, LET'S SAY LIKE, UM, YOU HAD ONE BALL FIELD, COULD YOU DO, COULD YOU DO TURF ON ONE AND NATURAL GRASS ON THE OTHER? YOU CAN MIX IN NATURAL, YES.
USUALLY IF YOU PLAN ON HAVING A TOURNAMENT, IT, YOU TRY TO HAVE 'EM CONSISTENT SO PEOPLE AREN'T FIGHTING OVER THE BETTER FIELD.
BUT YOU CAN'T SPLIT TWO AND TWO, THREE AND 1, 1 3.
I WAS THINKING FOR, FOR WEATHER IT'S RAINY OR WHATNOT, THEN YOU HAVE ONE OPTION.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF OPTION THREE, WHAT IS THE PRACTICE FIELD? THAT WOULD BE REAL GRASS.
SO THE PRACTICE FIELD WOULD BE GRASS AROUND EVERY OPTION.
WE DID HAVE ON THAT NEXT SLIDE THROUGH, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SORRY, WE THREW IN, UM, JUST A QUICK, UH, RETURN ON INVESTMENT ON, WE KNOW THAT AND UNDERSTAND THE INITIAL COST FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF IS QUITE A BIT HIGHER, BUT LONG TERM WITH MAINTENANCE, UM, IT DOES COME, UH, AT A HIGHER COST FOR THE NATURAL GRASS.
AND, AND KNOWING THAT YOU, YOUR STAFF IS, IS QUITE TAXED, UM,
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NOT HAVING, UH, A BIG STAFF, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAN THESE FIELDS, IT'S GONNA BE AN EVEN HARDER BURDEN WATERING FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A DAY IN THE SUN, FERTILIZING, FERTILIZING TWO, THREE TIMES A YEAR, NITROGEN ATION, ANYTIME THERE'S AN EVENT, A TOURNAMENT, IT'S NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT THESE FIELDS TO BE FOR AND FROM WHAT WE HAD UNDERSTOOD IT WAS FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY.
SO, SO THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE JUST SOME PRECEDENT IMAGES OF WHAT WE HAD ENVISIONED AND WHAT WE HAD HEARD THAT YOU HAD WANTED.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME, SOME FINK, SOME DUGOUTS WITH SOME NICE BLEACHERS, SOME OVERHEAD COVER, UM, AGAIN, TURF FIELDS.
NEXT PLEASE, SOME NICER, UM, AMENITIES AS FAR AS FOR THE SPECTATOR, HAVING SOME STADIUM SEATING, SOME, UM, ABILITY TO ALSO HAVE AREAS FOR, FOR SEATS THAT YOU BRING IN AN AREA FOR A SCORE PERSON.
SOME HIGH NETTING, SOME REALLY NICE HIGH-END, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE SPECTATOR SCOREBOARDS.
UM, WE ALSO THINK HAVING AN AREA WHERE YOU ARE HIGHLIGHTING THE FLAGS AND MAKING A, A REAL, UH, BEACON FOR THE COMMUNITY, HAVING SOME FLAGS, THE FENCING AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE, ARE REALLY IDEAL TO HAVE FOR, FOR THIS PARK.
UM, AGAIN, WE TALKED THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT STRUCTURES THAT WE'LL HAVE FOR THE PARK.
WE'LL HAVE THE MAIN CONCESSION AREA, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, THE, THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING WHERE YOU'LL HAVE STORAGE AND PO, POTENTIALLY SOME OFFICE BUILDINGS.
AND SO WE'D WANNA MAKE SURE THESE ARE ALL COHESIVE IN ARCHITECTURE AND STYLE.
AND ALSO IF BUDGET PERMITS, IF WE COULD HAVE A NICER RESTROOM WITH PAVILION ON THE NORTH END, WE'D WANNA BE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT IN ANY OTHER AREAS WHERE RESPITE IS IS POSSIBLE FOR, FOR SEATING.
UM, WE'D WANT TO DO THAT AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, SOME, SOME IMAGES OF WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE GREAT FOR, FOR THE PARK THAT WE'LL WANNA INCLUDE FENCING AROUND THE, THE PLAY AREA, FENCING AROUND THE BALLPARK, SOME SEATING OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THE TRAIL AROUND THE, THE WHOLE FACILITY.
AND AGAIN, UM, WE DIDN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THE, THE TENSION AREA ON THAT NORTH END, BUT YEAH, SO WE'LL CALL BACK.
IN THE VERY ENTRANCE OF THE PARK, WE WILL NEED A DETENTION POND THAT BASICALLY TO OFFSET ALL THE CONCRETE WE'RE ADDING, WE'RE GONNA INCREASE THE FLOW.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HOLD IT IN THE POND FOR A SHORT PERIOD, USUALLY LESS THAN 48 HOURS.
UH, THIS WILL BE A DRY POND AS THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM TO DO A WET POND BECAUSE OF THE WET POND YOU HAVE INTO ACCOUNT, NOT JUST FOR THE WATER BUT ALSO THE STORAGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO DO IT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW WITH THE ROOM, IT'D BE LIKE A TWO FOOT DEEP POND, WHICH THAT POINT IT'S JUST MOSQUITO DID.
SO IT'D BE A DRY POND SLOPE TO DRAIN, DRAIN SOME, THE CREEK DRAINS UNDER THE ROAD AND IT'S GONE, BUT IT'S, UH, MOSTLY FUNCTIONAL AND WILL HELP THE DEVELOPMENTS DOWNSTREAM.
AND AGAIN, JUST SOME FEATURES THAT WE WANNA INCLUDE JUST TO MONETIZE ANY AND ALL THE AREAS.
UM, SOME PASSIVE AREAS OF, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT ARE JUST WALKING AROUND FOR THE PARK AND THEN THE PLANTING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WANNA JUST MAKE THIS A REALLY NICE FACILITY FOR, FOR AUBREY.
AND THEN, UM, YEAH, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THESE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THE COMMITTEE IS READY TO MAKE A SELECTION NOW, BUT THESE ARE, UM, THE THREE THAT WE'RE WANTING, UM, FOR YOU TO EVALUATE.
AND AGAIN, ALSO THE TURF OPTIONS.
IF YOU LIKE CERTAIN IDEAS FROM ONE, YOU CAN ALWAYS ADAPT IT AND INCORPORATE EXACTLY IN CONCEPT TWO, WHICH OF THE BUILDINGS IS THE CONCESSION AND WHICH ONE IS MORE FOR MAINTENANCE? THE, WE HAD ANTICIPATED THE MAINTENANCE TO BE ON THAT FAR BOTTOM LEFT, THAT WAY IT'S GOT ITS OWN ENTRY.
UM, AND THE CONCESSION WILL BE RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE PLAY AREA.
AND THAT ONE DID HAVE RESTROOMS OR DID NOT HAVE RESTROOMS. IT WILL HAVE RESTROOMS. YES.
IN ALL THESE CASES, WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE RESTROOMS WITH THE CONCESSION.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HAVING THE PLAY WITHIN THE BALL FEEDS? I KNOW THAT IS A NICE FEATURE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE, THE IDEA OR THOUGHT IS TO CLOSE THE, THE BALL FIELDS SO THEN
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YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT NECESSARILY.SO IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE IT SEPARATE.
SO JUST LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
UH, I THINK WE, WHENEVER WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT, WE TALKED ABOUT UM, HAVING GATES AND FENCES, UM, THAT LEAD INTO THE BALL FIELDS THEMSELVES.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO DISCUSSED PUTTING, OR RATHER HAVING THE PLAY STRUCTURE WITHIN THE COMPLEX.
TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR PARENTS WHO, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOUNGER KIDS WHO ARE GONNA BE OFF PLAYING IN THE PLAYGROUND VERSUS THE KIDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD BE, FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.
AND IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFE FOR THEM TO BE IN THE COMPLEX.
UM, BUT I AM NOT SOMEONE WITH KIDS, SO IF ANYONE ELSE HAS AN OPINION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
THERE CAN ALWAYS ENCLOS THE PLAYGROUND IN OTHER OPTIONS.
YES, WE CAN DO, WOULD NOT BE THE BALL FIELDS THEM THE BALL, THEY MM-HMM
WE HAVE NETTING FROM FIRST TO THIRD ALL THE WAY TO HOME WRAPS AROUND ON POLE BIG NETTING.
IT'S NEVER GONNA BE TALL ENOUGH.
I DO KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD.
I HAVE SEEN KIDS HIT ONE OVER THOUGH AND I'M JUST, THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS.
AND WE ASKED AROUND ON OPTION TWO AND OPTION ONE THAN THREE.
IT WOULD BE BASICALLY THE SIDELINE NETTING THAT GOES STRAIGHT UP.
I PICK AN OPTION TWO BECAUSE IT'S SO TIGHT RIGHT THERE.
YOU MAY HAVE TO DO OVER THE TOP NETTING ACROSS THE WHOLE PLAZA.
THERE A LOT ABOUT TWO THAT I LIKE.
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IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE PARKING, IT LOOKS LIKE, NO, IT'S FOUR 10 TO FOUR 30.
IT'S JUST SPLIT TO SIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT ON THE NORTH END, ON THE END ON THE EAST SIDE.
ARE YOU TELLING THE PARKING? YEAH, AT A MINIMUM WE HAVE 400 AT THE VERY MINIMUM, BUT WE'RE HITTING CLOSE TO FOUR 20 IN ALL OF IT.
OPTION THREE, THE ONLY THING TO BRING UP IS PARKING IS EAST AND SOUTH BASED.
SO YOU GUYS PRACTICE FIELD OR ON THE NORTH OF THE SOCCER FARTHER ALONG.
UM, MY THOUGHT IS ON CONCEPT THREE, WELL NO MAYOR SAID HE LIKES THE TWO BIG FIELDS AND WITH THE BIG FIELDS WE COULD SIT THERE AND PUT THOSE, UM, THE SMALLER FENCE PUDDINGS IN THE OUTFIELD TO CREATE A SMALLER FIELD IF WE NEEDED TO.
SO THERE'S THIS THING THEY DO AT SALINA.
IT'S BASICALLY THEY HAVE A POST HOLE THAT'S HIDDEN UNDERGROUND AND YOU CAN MOVE THE WHOLE FENCE IN OR AROUND MM-HMM
TO OBVIOUSLY NOT AS BIG AS LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE LITTLE LEAGUE, BUT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GO BETWEEN SAY A 10-YEAR-OLD AND A 12-YEAR-OLD PLAY FIELD QUITE EASILY.
I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO PROTECT THE PLAYGROUND ON TWO FROM CHILDREN BALL OUTTA THE PARK
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AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, A LOT OF PLAYGROUNDS, NEGATIVES HAVE SHADE STRUCTURES BUILT IN.
THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN WITH LET'S SAY TWO AND THREE, ONE OF THE, THE BIG BALL FIELDS OFF TOWARDS THE BACK WHERE THE SOCCER FIELDS ARE, YOU GET ONE THAT FLIES OUT THERE.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TOO IS THEY DO HIGH FENCES WITH A LINE ON THE FENCE AND IT'S OVER THE LINE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO OVER THE FENCE THOUGH TO BE A HOME RUN.
MY ONLY THOUGHT ON TWO THAT I DON'T LIKE IS THE CONCESSION STAND NOT BEING IN THE MIDDLE.
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BE BAD IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CONTROL THE ENTRANCE OF LIKE TICKETING WHILE HAVING PEOPLE COME IN.SO I LIKE IT THERE JUST BECAUSE IF THE CONCESSION IS ALSO GONNA HOLD THE RESTROOMS, ESPECIALLY THEN SOCCER IS CLOSER MM-HMM
SO YOU COULD USE THAT CONCESSION FOR SOCCER AND FOR BASEBALL SOFTBALL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEMS WITH CONCEPT ONE AND THREE.
YOU DON'T HAVE A CONCESSION STAND CLOSE TO THE SOCCER.
YOU DO HAVE BATHROOMS CLOSE, BUT MM-HMM
CONCESSION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TRE QUITE A WAYS TO GET THERE.
OPTION TWO IS TWO BUILDINGS WHILE THE REST HAVE THREE.
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THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF WITH THE PLAYGROUNDS ON TWO AND THREE IS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE A, A LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE FOR THE PARENTS IF IT'S LIKE, I LIKE HOW CLOSE IT IS IN ONE.
SO IF THE PARENTS ARE AT THE GAMES FOR THE BASEBALL, UH, ANYWAY, THEY CAN SEE THE PLAYGROUND FAIRLY EASY.
WELL VICE VERSA, IF YOU'RE WATCHING YOUR LITTLE KIDS AT THE PLAYGROUND, YOU CAN WATCH YOUR BIG KIDS PLAYING BASEBALL AT TWO OF THOSE FIELDS JUST BY STANDING AT THAT PLAYGROUND.
'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO FIELDS.
SO THAT'S HOW I THINK
BUT ON OPTION TWO, THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD ON THE SOUTH, CAN THAT BE PUSHED EVEN FURTHER SOUTH TO BRING THAT PLAYER STRUCTURE IN, PUSH THAT, PUSH THIS DOWN DOWN AND THEN HAVE THAT IN THE MIDDLE? YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT AND MA AND MOVE IT CLOSER UP SO THEN IT, IT GETS INCORPORATED SIMILAR TO CONCEPT ONE AND SPLIT 'EM.
IT WON'T BE AS SYMMETRICAL BUT YEAH.
MOST COMMON PEOPLE WON'T NOTICE CON CONCEPT ONE ISN'T SYMMETRICAL EITHER, BUT WE EVEN NOTICE, WELL, WE'LL LOOK AT, CORRECT.
WE'LL LIKELY LOSE THAT SMALL SOCCER, BUT THEN THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE.
MM-HMM IF THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR YOU, WELL YOU DO LOSE ONE SMALL SOCCER.
MM-HMM BUT YOU STILL HAVE TWO SMALL SOCCERS, ONE BIG SOCCER AND THEN TWO MEDIUM SIZED SOCCERS ANYWAYS, I MEAN YEP.
IT APPEARS THAT WE WOULD HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH SOCCER.
WE CAN CERTAINLY MOVE THAT UP THERE.
I LIKE THE, THE BIGGER SOCCER AND THE TWO LARGE BASEBALL FIELDS.
THE BIGGER SOCCER ALLOWS YOU, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR FOOTBALL FIELD IF I MEASURE IT CORRECTLY.
YEAH WHEN I, WHENEVER I LOOKED IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS AT LEAST 120 YARDS LONG.
SOCCER FIELD IS BIGGER THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD.
WHAT'S THAT? A SOCCER FIELD'S BIGGER THAN A FOOTBALL DEPENDS ON SOCCER FIELD
ANYBODY LIKE OPTION THREE PRACTICE FIELD BASEBALL OR DO EVEN THINK THE FOUR THAT ARE OUT THERE ALREADY WOULD FUNCTION? I THINK THE FOUR WOULD BE FINE AS IS.
I DON'T, THE PRACTICE FIELD JUST MIGHT HAVE A FENCE AND HARASSING BEAR NO EXPERIENCE IN THE BASEBALL.
I CALL THOSE SANDLOT FIELDS AND I LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THE NEED FOR AUBREY IS MORE THAN LIKE WE HAVE A HUGE NEED FOR BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL AND SOCCER.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE A HUGE GROUP OF FOOTBALL, SO I, I REALLY LIKE THAT IN ONE AND TWO.
WELL AND I THINK EVEN IN CONCEPT THREE WE COULD FIT THE FOOTBALL SIZE.
IF YOU JUST TOOK AWAY ONE OF THE BIG FIELDS AT THE TOP, TURN THAT INTO THE SMALLER FIELD, THEN YOU COULD FIT THE BIG IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT.
IF YOU HAVE THE PRACTICE FIELD AT THE VERY NORTH, I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK AND USE ONE OF THE SOUTH BASEBALL FIELDS UNIT ANYWAY TO PRACTICE ON MM-HMM
THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANNA GO UP TO THE PRACTICE FIELD THATS ON TOO BIG, TOO SMALL.
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SMALL ONE BIG OR DO YOU LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY HAVING TWO AND TWO FOR BASEBALL? FOR BASEBALL, YES.FOR BASEBALL OR ALL OR FOUR? SMALL.
I I I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE TOO BIG, TOO SMALL, THEY'D NEED TO BE FLEXED WHERE WE COULD SHRINK IT UH, TO FIT SOME OF THE SMALLER.
SO AT LEAST, YEAH, AT LEAST ONE.
DO WE LIKE NEED NEED TWO BIG FIELDS? LIKE WHAT IS THE, THE DEMAND IN AGE GROUPS? YEAH.
OKAY, SO WITH THE TWO UH, BIG FIELDS, I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE CLOSE TO HIGH SCHOOL DISTANCES.
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DID IT FOR YEARS AND I WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
AND WE HAVE LIGHTING AROUND THE PERIMETER TRAIL.
SO THE LITTLE SHORT SMALL LIGHTS THAT JUST ELIMINATE THE PATHS.
NOTHING BIG AND THE PARKING LOT WOULD'VE THE 1520 FOOT MASK ARMS AND FOR THE FIELDS THEMSELVES, THEY WOULD HAVE IT AT THE LIGHTS, BIG STADIUM LIGHTS YOU SEE ALL INCLUDED IN THE COST AS WELL.
IS THERE GONNA BE LIGHTING ON THE SOCCER FIELD AREA TOO? LIKE WE JUST WON MASS LIGHTING, NOT UM, FULL LIGHTING.
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IT'S MORE KIND OF SEAT WE SEE ON THE FREEWAY.
STRAIGHT UP ILLUMINATES IN ALL DIRECTION CONICALLY.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, ROUND DESK MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE BUT IT'S STILL VISIBLE.
IT'S JUST NOT SAY LIKE THE BASEBALL FIELD, WHICH WILL BE RIGHT AS DAY.
SINCE THEY'RE NOT MEANT FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY, IT SEEMS EVERYONE LIKES OPTION TWO.
THERE SOME VARIATIONS ON THE CONCESSION AND PLAYGROUND.
THOUGHTS ON ARTIFICIAL VERSUS SYNTHETIC TURF OR THE BASEBALL FIELDS? THE ASSUMPTION RIGHT NOW IS THE SOCCER SLASH FOOTBALL WOULD BE REAL GRASS.
I LIKE ARTIFICIAL BECAUSE I WAS THE SOFTBALL COMMISSIONER FOR LIKE SIX YEARS AND I KNOW WHAT MAINTENANCE LOOKS LIKE.
A LOT OF FIELD CONDITIONER, A LOT OF TRUCKS FULL OF DIRT.
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MOSTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE DRAINAGE IS NOT ON PART.
'CAUSE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THE WATER SOAKED UP IN THE GRASS AND YOU DON'T ACCOUNT FOR IT WITH THE ARTIFICIAL, IT GOES TO A FRENCH DRAIN SUB AIR SYSTEM THAT IS DUMPED OFF SITE AND TRYING TO UPSIZE A STORM SEWER AFTER THE FACT IS BLOODY NIGHTMARE.
UM, SO WITH SYNTHETIC, UM, I KNOW YOU CAN DO SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL IN THE SAME FIELD WITH A MOBILE MOUND.
IF WE DO NATURAL GRASS, CAN WE STILL USE A MOBILE MOUND OR WOULD WE HAVE TO UM, I GUESS DESIGNATE A SPECIFIC FIELD FOR SOFTBALL AT THAT POINT? GROWING UP WE HAD A MOBILE MOUND.
BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL USED BOTH USED FLAT MOUND.
IT USED TO IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PROFESSIONAL SELECT BALL BUT IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR LITTLE LEAGUE AND THEY SAID
LIKE THE ONLY DIRT USUALLY FOR BASEBALL IS THE BASELINE FOR SOFTBALL IS THE ENTIRE INFIELD.
I JUST AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, COMPETITION BASEBALL, I ASSUME THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, YOUR TOURNAMENTS ARE GONNA WANT MOUNDS AND IF WE'VE GOT ONE DESIGNATED FIELD THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SOFTBALL
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FIELD THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MOUND, THAT'S ONE LESS FIELD THAT WE CAN UTILIZE.I'M PITCHING TURF AT THE MOMENT JUST 'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BENEFICIAL.
'CAUSE ESPECIALLY WITH TOURNAMENT PLAY, YOU DON'T GET RAINED OUT.
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THAT IS A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE WHENEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE FIELD PREPPED AFTER A RAIN EVENT.
KURT HAVE TO HIGH CARTS AND THEY'LL BE RUNNING OUT THERE WITH THEM.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T NOTICE THEY TALKED TO SO ABOUT THEIR MOUNDS AND THEY SIT BACK IN THE DAY THOSE MOUNDS GOT BEAT UP AND THEY TAKE LIKE SIX FROM IN TO MOVE AND THEY POWER LAST LINES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PURPOSE IS PLAYABLE IN LIKE THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER IN TEXAS? MM-HMM
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UM, I THINK WHENEVER WE THINK OF TURF WE IMMEDIATELY THINK OF SHREDDED RUBBER, WHICH OBVIOUSLY MAKES IT SIGNIFICANTLY HOTTER.
UM, THE INFILL THAT THEY HAVE NOW HAS COME SUCH A LONG WAY THAT IT'S NOT AS BLAZING HOT AS IT USED TO BE.
UM, AND THEY'VE GOT DIFFERENT INFILLS THAT UH, I'VE SEEN SOME THAT ARE COOLING INFILLS, UM, THAT APPARENTLY ABSORB MOISTURE AND RELEASE IT DURING THE HOTTEST PART OF THE DAY.
THAT HELPS COOL DOWN THE FIELD.
IT IS STILL GOING TO LIKELY BE HOTTER THAN NATURAL GRASS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS CRAZY AS IT WAS 10, 20 YEARS AGO WITHOUT SEEING FAR AWAY.
IT JUST CHANGED THE COLOR OF THE TUR.
FROM THE BLACK BEETS, THE MORE TANISH THAT HELPS.
SO THINKING ABOUT SUMMERTIME GRASS, WE GOT, YOU GOT THREE DOGS THAT ARE OUT THERE MAKINGS AND MM-HMM
'CAUSE WE WANT IT TO LOOK NICE AND LIKE IT'S GONNA TAKE SO MUCH EFFORT TO KEEP NATURAL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IF WE'RE INVESTING IN THIS THEN WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE WE INVESTED IN IT AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE, AND IT'S NOT EVEN JUST GRASS.
WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT THE CLAY IN FIELD.
THAT IS A LOT OF WORK AS WELL.
ESPECIALLY AFTER TOURNAMENT PLAY.
YOU'RE REPACKING MOUNDS, REPACKING THE BATTING BOX OR BATS BOX.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS A VIABLE PLAYABLE SURFACE.
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'CAUSE IF IT SITS TOO LONG IT'LL PACK AND GET INCREDIBLY HARD.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO CLAY IN FIELDS AS WELL.
RESTRICTIONS, ALSO TRUE WATER RESTRICTIONS.
I THINK SYNTHETIC IS THE WAY TO GO.
BASEBALL MOMS WILL THANK US FOR LAUNDRY TOO.
IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JUST LET US KNOW.
AND WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY MOTIONS OR ANYTHING ON THAT, RIGHT? NO.
[Future Agenda Requests]
FUTURE AGENDA REQUESTS, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY.WILL THIS BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL AT THIS MONTH'S MEETING AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE A DECISION ON WHICH ONE OR THE PLAN FOR US WOULD BE TO UPDATE OPTION TO REFLECT, PRESENT ALL THREE AND EVIDENCE.
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DO ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE ANY AGENDA REQUESTS FOR NEXT TIME? NO ADJOURNED.THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 6:45 PM OKAY.