[Call to Order - Determine if a Quorum is Present]
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WE'LL CALL TONIGHT'S MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:01 PM WOULD SOMEONE MIND GIVING A PRAYER? OKAY.
WHERE ANY VOLUNTEERS FOR THE PRAYER FOR TONIGHT? YOU DID SO WELL, CRYSTAL.
I KNEW YOU WERE GONNA SAY THAT.
IF YOU WOULD, UH, BOW YOUR HEADS OR HONOR THIS MOMENT IN THE WAY THAT YOU PERSONALLY FEEL APPROPRIATE, PLEASE, OUR HEAVENLY FATHER AND THAT UP TO WHOM, WHICH WE PRAY, WE ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO BLESS US.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING US HERE SAFELY.
WE ASK THAT YOU HONOR THAT BLESSING AND, AND THE GRATITUDE THAT WE'VE GIVEN AND BESTOWED ONTO YOU TO ALLOW US TO FOCUS ON THE PURPOSE OF OUR COMMUNITY HERE IN AUBREY, TEXAS.
WE ASK THAT YOU ALSO TAKE THAT SAME SPIRIT OF REWARD ON OUR WAYS HOME, TO MAKE US GET HOME SAFELY, HAVE A WONDERFUL NIGHT, AND HAVE AN EVEN MORE PROSPEROUS MORNING.
IN JESUS' NAME, WE ASK AND PRAY.
HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, TEXAS ONE ON THE GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
[Community Announcements]
OF THE COMMUNITY INTEREST MAY INCLUDE RECOGNIZING CITIZENS AND STAFF FOR OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY.A REMINDER ABOUT AN UPCOMING EVENT THAT'S ORGANIZED AND SPONSORED BY THE GOVERNING BODY AND ANNOUNCEMENTS OF THE IMMINENT THREATS TO PUBLIC SAFETY THAT HAS ARISEN AFTER POSTING OF THIS AGENDA.
AND AS OF THIS TIME, I SEE THAT THERE ARE NO CONTRIBUTIONS FOR CITIZEN INPUT TONIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? ANYONE WANNA PROVE ME WRONG THERE? OKAY.
[New Business]
LET'S GET STRAIGHT TO NEW BUSINESS.WE HAVE FIVE ITEMS FOR TONIGHT.
THE FIRST NEW ITEM IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A WINE AND MALT BEVERAGE RETAILER ON-PREMISE PERMIT IN CONJUNCTION WITH RESTAURANT USE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 200 SOUTH MAIN, AUBREY, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, THE UPPER PARK CAFE.
THIS WILL BE FIRST ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
WE HAVE, UM, SO THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 200 SOUTH MAIN STREET.
AND AS MOST OF YOU, UH, RECALL THIS PAST YEAR, THE CITY ADOPTED REGULATIONS FOR ALL ALCOHOLIC TO BRIDGE SCALE, UH, WITHIN THE CITY.
YOU ALL DID NOT, UM, HAVE THAT REGULATION, UM, PRIOR, UM, TO EARLIER THIS YEAR.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED, UM, A WINE AND MO BEVERAGE PERMIT FOR ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.
AND IT'S IN THE EXISTING UPPER PART CAFE.
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NO, THAT'S RIGHT.CAN WE TURN ON HER MICROPHONE? OOPS, SORRY.
IS IT ON? CAN YOU HEAR NOW? WE CAN, BUT UH, ARE YOU, AS LONG AS YOU'RE PRESSING AND HOLDING, I THINK YOU'RE OKAY WHILE YOU SPEAK.
WERE WE ALL MEANT TO REBOOT? THERE YOU GO.
UM, SO THE CITY, UH, DID RECEIVE THE APPLICATION FOR THE SUP, BUT ALSO A COPY OF THE TABC PERMIT AND THE CRITERIA THAT WAS ADOPTED BY, UM, CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND HAS, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT IT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND YOUR, UH, POLICE CHIEF HAS ALSO RE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS WERE, UM, PROVIDED FOR AS, AS REQUIRED.
AND WHEN WE DID OUR AGENDA PACKET PREPARATION, WE HAD SEVEN LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THE SUP APPLICATION AND NO, NO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION.
SO THIS EVENING, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE, THE SUP APPLICATION, AND YOU ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE THE, THE SUP OR ACTUALLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
OR YOU CAN ADD, UM, SOME SPECIAL CONDITIONS WITH THE SUP CONSIDERATION, OR YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DENY THE SUP.
AND I WILL HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND I'M NOT SURE, IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? NO.
SO WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICATION.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, SPEAKING, HOW OPENLY, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM.
YOU STATE, PLEASE, AND I APOLOGIZE, THE TIME FOR THE OPENING PUBLIC MEETING IS 6 0 9.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FOR THAT, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING AGAIN AT SIX ZERO 9:00 PM MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA.
NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO OF THE AGENDA.
CONSIDER TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING YOUR PRELIMINARY PLA FOR THE
LET, UH, LEMME START OVER WITH THAT.
CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR DUCK POINT CONTAINING 448 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, EIGHT NON-RESIDENTIAL LOTS, ONE CITY PARK LOT AND TWO CITY LOTS IN APPROXIMATELY 159,939 ACRES OF LAND OUT OF THE FREDERICK H POLLARD SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 9 9 5.
CITY OF AUBREY, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS.
AND OF COURSE THAT IS MM, AUBREY 1 6 0 LLC.
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FOR, UM, DUCK POINT 159 ACRES, ROUGHLY WITH 448 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, A NUMBER OF, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL LOTS, A CITY PARK LOT, AND, UM, ANOTHER LOT THAT IS, UM, DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY.THIS IS A LOCATION MAP UP THERE FOR YOU TO SEE.
AND THE PROPERTY WILL BE SERVED BY THE FUTURE RED FERN ROAD, WHICH IS A DASHED ALIGNMENT IN RED.
THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY IS IN YELLOW.
UM, THE, THE PROPERTY WENT THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EARLIER THIS YEAR AND ALSO THROUGH ZONING, THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.
AND THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL OF THE, THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
I PUT THE CONCEPT PLAN IN FOR DUCK POINT.
UM, YOUR PACKET INCLUDES THE ENTIRE PRELIMINARY PLAT, BUT IT, IT'S ON A NUMBER OF PAGES.
SO I DID, I WAS NOT ABLE TO PUT THE ENTIRE PLAT ON ON ONE SLIDE.
SO I PUT THIS IN THERE SO THAT IT REPRESENTS, UH, WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH WITH ZONING AND HOW THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT GUIDELINES.
YOU CAN SEE THE, THE ROADWAY AT THE TOP RED FERN FEEL THIS ISN'T WANTING TO DO FOR ME.
UM, HOW IT COMES, UM, EAST, WEST AND INTERSECTS AT 1385.
AND THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS UP TO, TO RED FERN ROAD.
UM, WE HAD A, A, A FEW LITTLE ITEMS TO CLEAN UP.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT AND MOST OF THESE ITEMS ARE VERY MINOR IN NATURE.
UM, SO SHOULD THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THE PLAT BY CITY COUNCIL, WE ASK THAT YOU REFERENCE THESE NINE ITEMS. UH, WE, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEIR CONSULTANTS AND THE CITY ENGINEER AS WELL AS THE CITY PLANNER HAVE, UM, A FEW MORE COMMENTS AND LITTLE EDITS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THOSE ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE LIST OF ITEMS UP ON THE SCREEN AND IN YOUR PACKET.
AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CAN, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THE CITY ENGINEER AND CITY PLANNER REVIEW.
UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AND A A ANOTHER MOTION OR, UM, YOU COULD ALSO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, STAFF'S NOT RECOMMENDING THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO THE, THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND I BELIEVE THE, THE APPLICANT ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM? CAN YOU PUT YES, SIR.
WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION? A STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, A SUBJECT TO THE, THE NINE CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED ABOVE.
AND WHY ARE THERE NINE CONDITIONS STILL? IT'S A BIG PROJECT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH IT AND AS I MENTIONED, THEY'RE FAIRLY MINOR.
UH, SOME OF THOSE ARE INFORMATIONAL AS WELL.
UH, REGARDING, UM, SAY THE, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION DOCUMENTS, LANDSCAPE AND SCREENING, UH, SOME FLOOD PLAIN INFORMATION.
A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE ALREADY HAPPENING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THEM AT THIS TIME.
WHY? THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UM, ITEMS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.
AND WE LIKE TO PROCESS THE PLATS WHEN WE DO RECEIVE THEM.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO ACT ON THEM WITHIN 30 DAYS.
UM, SO IT IT'S US TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO GET THEM THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS AND WORK ON ANY CONDITIONS OR REVISIONS THAT ARE NECESSARY.
IT'S COMMON TO APPROVE, UM, PLATS WITH CONDITIONS.
THIS IS A LOT OF CONDITIONS THAT'S NOT WORKING.
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MINE'S NOT WORKING.UM, SO WHAT CONCERN IS THE FLOOD PLAINS ENGINEER DOOR LOOKED OUT THERE? OKAY, THEY'RE WITH THE PLANS AND STUFF,
UM, THEY HAVE FEMA TO GO THROUGH, AS YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THEY'VE ALREADY COMPLETED THEIR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS.
THEY WILL NOT, UM, INCREASE FLOW ON OTHER PROPERTIES.
UH, THE CITY ENGINEER HAS REVIEWED THEIR PLANS AND IS, IS WORKING THROUGH THE PLANS.
THAT IS, UM, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED THAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND A SEPARATE ONE FOR OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE REQUIRED.
UM, SO THAT WE ENSURE THAT ROADWAY, WHICH IS THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY, IS, UM, COMPLETED.
THE CITY DOES HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE LANDOWNER TO THE NORTH, UM, FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT ON THAT PROPERTY.
BUT, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CONDITION THAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS REQUIRED TO ENSURE THE COMPLETION OF THAT ROADWAY.
I, I HAVE A QUESTION CONCERNING NUMBER TWO.
MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE DETAIL OF THE WORK TEMPORARY THERE.
AS FAR AS TEMPORARY IS CONCERNED.
DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THAT TIME PERIOD WOULD BE? UH, WE DON'T AT THIS TIME, BUT, UM, TO KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT'S HAPPENING, THEY ARE BUILT, THEY'RE, THEY WILL CONSTRUCT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF REDFERN, UM, FROM 1385 TO THE WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
AND, UM, PLANNING AND ENGINEERING HAD A CONCERN FOR THE WESTERN INGRESS EGRESS TO RED FERN.
THIS LITTLE POINTER'S NOT WORKING FOR ME, OTHERWISE I WOULD BE POINTING.
UM, THAT'S A, A REALLY LONG SPAN FROM WHERE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN INTO THE COMMUNITY AT THAT FAR WEST PROPERTY.
IT'S A LONG SPAN THAT IS, UM, WITHOUT A TURNAROUND.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ENGINEER.
WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THE POLICE CHIEF TO FIGURE OUT, UM, WILL THERE BE A TEMPORARY TURNAROUND AND AN EASEMENT IN THAT LOCATION, OR WILL THE ROADWAY BE COMPLETED TO THAT PORTION AND IT BE BARRICADED RIGHT THERE AT THE LAST INTERSECTION WHERE YOU CAN GET INTO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE TYPICALLY WORK ON THROUGH, UM, FINAL PLAT AND CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY BEFORE THE FINAL PLATT'S TURNED IN.
BUT WE LIKE TO LET THE APPLICANTS KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT'S COMING, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
IT SOUNDS AS IF, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE NINE ITEMS THAT THEY ARE EITHER ALL IN PROGRESS OR NEARING THE END.
I PERSONALLY DID NOT SEE ANYTHING CONCERNING PUBLIC SAFETY ON THAT LIST.
OKAY, THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH DENIED CONDITIONS LISTED.
THAT ATTORNEY'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
THAT ATTORNEY'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
MOVING ON TO THE THIRD ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
THE THIRD ITEM IS TO CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR A POLL SIGN AT PRIOR EDITION BLOCK A LOT THREE CITY OF AUBREY, DENTON, TEXAS, MR. GREEN'S CAR WASH.
OKAY, SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN APPLICATION TO CONSIDER A POLL SIGN FOR MR. GREEN'S.
THE, UM, LOCATION MAP AT THE TOP, UM, CAN SHOW YOU WHERE YOUR, WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED.
I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH MR. GREEN'S AND THE SIGN, THE EXISTING SIGN WAS REMOVED, UM, THROUGH, UM, TXDOT IS EXPANDING THAT ROADWAY.
SO TDOT WORKED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, TO ACQUIRE THAT RIGHT OF WAY AND
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IS A PART OF THAT THE, THE SIGN WAS COMPENSATED FOR.AND IT HAS BEEN, UM, DEMOLISHED IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND THE, THE PROPERTY THAT THE SIGN THAT THEY'VE APPLIED FOR FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS BASED ON, UM, FRONTAGE ALONG 3 77.
AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW POLL SIGN.
UH, YOUR SIGN REGULATIONS, UH, PROHIBIT, UM, POLL SIGNS.
HOWEVER, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY PERMIT A CLASSIFIED POLL SIGN, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS, UM, IF THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATES CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET.
SO THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS IN YOUR CODE.
AND THE THE FIRST ONE, OPTION ONE IS, IS APPLICABLE TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE, THE CRITERIA AND FOUND THAT IT MEETS THE, THE STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL OF A POLL SIGN.
THIS IS A, A BLOW UP OF THE, THE SITE PLAN, THE RED X ON THE, THE, THE LEFT IS WHERE THE EXISTING SIGN WAS, AND A NEW NEW SIGN LOCATION IS, IS FURTHER TO THE EAST.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATION FOR THE, FOR THE POLE SIGN.
THEY ARE PROPOSING A A 2020 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND, UM, IT HAS TWO SIGN CABINETS.
UH, ONE HAS THE SIGNAGE, THE THE ONE BELOW IT IS JUST A FREE VACUUMS SIGN.
THE CHART, UM, THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET, AS WELL AS UP ON THE SCREEN, SHOWS THE REQUIREMENTS BASED ON RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSED SIGN.
SO THEY ARE WELL WITHIN THE, THE LIMITS FOR, FOR A POLE SIGN.
AND IT DOES INCLUDE A, A THREE FOOT MASONRY WAINSCOTING, UH, SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL CAR WASH.
THIS PHOTO ON THE LEFT WAS THE ORIGINAL CAR WASH AND POLE SIGN.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED BY, BY LINDSEY.
DID WE HAVE THE ORDINANCES AT THAT TIME? THE WHERE THERE ARE NO POLE SIGN? I, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT YOUR SIGN ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED, I BELIEVE IN DECEMBER OF, I MEAN IN JANUARY OF 23.
BUT THIS IS A NEW SIGN, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THEY'RE NOT JUST PICKING IT UP AND IT'S, IT'S A NEW SIGN APPLICATION.
BUT I DID WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU ALL THE LAST POLL SIGN THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEWED IN CITY COUNCIL.
IT, UM, IN THE END, THE POLL SIGN WAS APPROVED WITH THE, THE MASONRY GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST SIGN PANEL.
AND THAT WAS REALLY THE CONDITION FOR THE APPROVAL AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND SOME, SOME WAY TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, A POLL SIGN.
SO I, I DID WANNA POINT THAT OUT THAT THAT'S HOW THAT ONE WAS APPROVED.
AND, UM, STAFF HAS, UM, DIRECTED US TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS ONE TOO HAVE THAT MASONRY, UM, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST SIGN CABINET.
I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT BECAUSE THE GRAPHIC SHOWED A MASONRY WRAP AND THAT IS THEIR PLAN.
THE, THEIR PLAN IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.
SO TO EXTEND THE MASONRY, THEY, THEY ARE PROPOSING ABOUT THREE FEET IN HEIGHT FOR THE MASONRY, AND THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT IT GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FREE VACUUM SIGN BASED ON THE LAST POLE SIGN THAT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY P AND Z AND COUNSEL.
DO THEY NOT HAVE, IF I BRING, I HAVE TO DRIVE BY THE SEAT, BUT DON'T THEY HAVE THE TWO, DO THEY HAVE TWO OR IS IT JUST A SINGLE MASONARY THERE IT SAYS JUST ONE MASON.
SO THAT'S SO AESTHETICALLY UNIFORM AND, AND JUST TRYING TO PLAY, YOU KNOW, LEVEL THE PLATING FIELD.
I'VE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, AND THIS IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD DURING
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THEONE IS WHEN T STOCK TAKES THOSE AREAS OF WAY WHERE THEY DO HAVE TO REPLACE THE SIGN, I THOUGHT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE CITY WAS GOING FOR IS THAT ALL OF THE POLE SIGNS BE REPLACED WITH WHAT IS THE CODE TO MAKE THINGS LOOK LESS, MORE UNIFORM THEN WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE.
UM, AND I KNOW MY CONCERN FROM LIKE SOME OF THE BUSINESS BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON 3 77 THAT UNLESS HIGHLY FORCED ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THEIR SCIENCE TO BE MORE ASSET PLEASING.
UM, HERE GO, IT GOES BACK TO THAT WHOLE WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO OR WHAT IS THE CITY GONNA DO? WHAT DO WE WANT EXCEPTIONS FOR EVERYTHING.
AND NOT THAT I HATE THIS SIGN, BUT THE, IT, IT WILL LOOK BETTER THAN IT DID.
UM, BUT WHAT IS THE GOAL? THE GOAL IS WHERE, IF THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR EVERYTHING, WHERE DOES THAT END AND WHAT IS THE GOAL? OH, WHEN I LOOK AT IF, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE DESIGN FOR THIS ONE, WHATEVER IT HAS, YOU KNOW, THE THREE FOOT OF BRICK OR MAY MASONRY, AND THEN IT'S NOT JUST A POLE, IT'S GOT PLASTER OR SOMETHING WRAPPED AROUND IT SO THAT IT DIDN'T SCORE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S I FORWARD LOOKING SIGN.
NO, I, I'M JUST, IT IS A WRAPPED SIGN.
AFTER LAST MONTH, THEY WON'T LET ME TURN ON
UM, SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST EIGHT POLE, BUT BECAUSE WE DID IT IS REPLACING ONE, I, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE MORE LENIENT THAN IT BEING A BRAND NEW SIGN.
IT'S REPLACING, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHERE, THAT WAS MY KIND OF QUESTION.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE EXISTING POLE SIGNS THAT LOOK ORALLY, AESTHETICALLY ON 3 77 WHEN TDOT WHEN THEY DO HAVE TO REPLACE THEM, THEY WERE ALSO ALLOWED PRIOR TO THE ORDINANCE.
SO IF THIS ONE WAS ALLOWED PRIOR TO THE ORDINANCE, THEY ALL, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS THAT AS THE, THE GROWTH CONTINUED AND THE TEXDOT THINK THAT THE SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE GONNA PULSE SIGNS REPLACED WITH THE SIGNS THAT WORK WITHIN CODE.
YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT BEING GRANDFATHERED IN? NO, NOT GRANDFATHERED IN.
THEY, IF THEY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THE SIGN MM-HMM.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS SIGN RIGHT HERE IS GOT MASONRY ALL THE WAY TO THE FREE, I'M FINE WITH THIS SIGN.
I MEAN, THE MASONRY PART OF THE BRICK IS GOING ALL TO THE FREE VACUUMS, RIGHT? SO IS THE APPLICANT HERE? NO, I WOULD SAY THAT SOME TYPE OF, UM, STUCCO, IT MIGHT BE EFIS.
I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER THE, THAT PARTICULAR MATERIAL.
NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT MATERIAL.
I'M TALKING ABOUT YEAH, THE THREE FOOT MASONRY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MASONRY, RIGHT? RIGHT.
RIGHT NOW THE RECOMMENDATION, I THOUGHT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE AS THEY MOVED THAT MASONRY NOT JUST THREE FEET, BUT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FIRST PART, UNDERNEATH THAT BE BACK, YOU'RE CORRECT.
SO I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT, IT'S GONNA LOOK NICE.
I IT'S GONNA GO UP BETTER AND, BUT ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW POLE SIGNS OR ARE WE GOING TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO WELL THAT'S PLUS THE CITIES, THAT'S THEY'RE THEY'RE GIVING US, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE OPTIONS OUT THERE AND THEY MEET THOSE OPTIONS.
I DON'T SEE WHERE OUR LEGAL SAY NO, NO.
IT'S THE POLE SIGN IN GENERAL.
UM, IS IT SIMPLY A POLL SIGN? BECAUSE IT'S ONE, IT'S THE ONE PILLAR.
YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE, WHAT THE DEFINITION OF POLE SIGN SIMPLY IT HAS ONE MM-HMM.
LIKE IN YOU PULLING UP THEIR CODE? YES.
SO, UM, THE DEFINITION OF, OF A POLE SIGN, UM, IS A FREESTANDING SIGN, WHICH HAS A DEFINITION IN WHICH THE SIGN FACE IS MOUNTED ON ONE OR MORE POLES, AND THE BASE OF THE SIGN FACE IS SITUATED MORE THAN 12 INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT CONSTITUTES A POLE SIGN.
SO I THINK IT'S THE PRECEDENCE THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF.
IF WE'RE GOING TO SET THAT WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF THIS ONE, WHAT COMES NEXT? RIGHT.
SO THAT IS A QUESTION THAT YOU, AS THE COMMISSION HAS TO ANSWER.
UM, AND THEN IN TURN THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ANSWER THAT YOU'RE THE GOVERNING BODY THAT, THAT MAKES THESE DECISIONS.
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I MEAN CONDITIONS OF THE SIDES.IT JUST, ANYONE HERE FROM THE, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY COMPELLING REASON THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A POLE SIGN? I DON'T, I, THAT, THAT'S NOT MY OH, WELL I, YEAH, BUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS, YOU ALL DO ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE MM-HMM.
IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME AS, UH, ALL STOP OR WHATEVER WE APPROVE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HIRE PEOPLE TO SEE IT.
AND I THINK LIKE I HONESTLY, JUST AS A, A PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY OR JUST A PERSON IN GENERAL, I WOULD, WHAT IS A POLE SIGN VERSUS IF IT HAS THAT TWO AND IT WAS THE SAME HEIGHT, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? AND ANYWAY, I'M FINE WITH THIS PARTICULAR SIGN.
LIKE I SAID, PRECEDENTS, NOT LEGAL PRECEDENTS, BUT SOME SORT OF UNIFORMITY WITHIN AS THE GROWTH CONTINUES AND THE EXCEPTIONS AND THINGS, I REALLY FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT STUFF.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE IT WITH THE CHANGES THAT BEEN MADE.
SO, UM, MAY I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ADD TO YOUR YOU THAT THE ALL CAN'T, IT'S NOT, THE THINGS ARE NOT THAT.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MASONRY GO ALL THE WAY UP TO UNDERNEATH THE BIG VACUUM SIGN.
BESIDES WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, I CAN'T READ.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO REDO THAT MOTION THEN.
SO YES, DO DO SLIDE WITH THE CONDITION.
IT'S UM, IT'S THAT SECOND BULLET.
AND I WOULD ALSO REQUEST THAT YOU MM-HMM?
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH THAT? KYLE
THE STAFF RECOMMENDING IS, IF STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, DOES THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDE IT WITHIN THE THREE CONDITIONS? OKAY.
THESE ARE THE THREE CONDITIONS THAT ARE THERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
THAT TO ME IS KIND OF A, YOU HAVE THE CHOICE IF IT'S A RECOMMENDATION VERSUS, I MEAN IT'S ALL RECOMMENDATION.
SO ARE YOU ASKING, ARE YOU ASKING LIKE IF THE STAFF IS JUST RECOMMENDING THAT IT GOES UP TO THE PRECINCT THAT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO CERTIFY? RIGHT? YES.
BUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE STAFFS TAKING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FURTHER, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE MASONRY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST SIGN CABINET.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO RELOCATE OR REPLANT, UH, REPLACE THE TREE THAT'S BEING REMOVED.
THOSE ARE YOUR OPTIONS IF YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN.
WHEN WE DEFINE MASONRY, ARE WE EXCLUDING THE STUCCO? 'CAUSE THEY'VE GOT STUCCO AND UH, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED MASONRY.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S, UM, REAL STUCCO, UH, THREE PART, UM, PLASTER OR IF IT IS AN EFIS PRODUCT.
SO IF THAT'S A DESIGN QUESTION TO YOU ALL, IF YOU WANNA SEE THE STONE GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST CABINET, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER SIGN THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY THE PICTURE, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH IT'S IN UNIFORM WITH THE ACTUAL CAR WASH BUILDING FROM WHAT I SAW.
SO I ASSUME FAIRLY YOU'RE NOT THAT IT IS THE SAME MATERIAL.
IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T PUT THAT BACK
SORRY, YOU'RE, NO, BECAUSE I WAS READING OFF OF THE OTHER ONE AS TO THE QUESTION I WAS ASKING AND WHY WE WENT WORK.
DOES THIS ONE HELP? IT HELPS IMMENSELY.
SO I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING VISIONS OF ONE AND TWO, THE MASONRY PRODUCT MATCHING MATERIALS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF POLE BASE UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LOWER SIGN CABINET.
AND THE EXISTING TREE IS IN THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED SIGN.
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REPLACED ON SALE.OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND.
ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS NUMBER THREE.
WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO NUMBER FOUR.
NUMBER FOUR IS TO CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A FINAL PLAT APPROVAL OF SAN, I'M SORRY, SANDBROOK RANCH, PHASE 13 CONTAINING 282 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, NINE COMMON AREA LOTS AND ONE AMENITY CENTER WITHIN AN 82 756 ACRES OUT OF THE FREDERICK POLAR SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 9 9 5.
AND WILLIAM LUMPKIN SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 7 3 0 WITHIN THE CITY OF AUBREY, ETJ DENTON COUNTY.
AND OF COURSE THAT'S IN TEXAS, HORIZON DEER CREEK DEVELOPMENT COURT AND THE DENTON COUNTY MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT NUMBER FIVE.
SO WE ARE STARTING OFF WITH A LOCATION MAP TO REMIND THE COMMISSION WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS AND IT IS WITHIN AN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THE LARGE, UM, I GUESS THE, THE DARK RED, THIS YES.
THE BOLD BOUNDARY IS THE ENTIRE BOUNDARY OF SANDROCK RANCH AND THERE'S A LITTLE CLOUD THAT SHOWS THE LOCATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PHASE 13, THE GENERAL LOCATION, UM, SO SOUTH OF SPRING HILL ROAD AND FM 4 28, UH, NORTH OF US THREE 80 EAST OF FM 29 31, AND WEST OF FM 1385.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE FINAL PLANT.
SO THE, UM, THE CITY HAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY PLANT AND THAT WAS DONE A LITTLE BIT OVER TWO YEARS AGO.
AND SO JUST AS YOU, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE, UM, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THE, THE APPLICATION FOR THE FINAL PLAT IN THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER.
THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT EXPIRED AT THE END OF OCTOBER, THE TWO YEARS, THEY HAVE A LETTER REQUESTING AN EXTENSION THAT IS, UM, GONNA BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED BY STAFF BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED ONGOING, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND, AND, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE FINAL PLAT HERE BEFORE YOU, IT IS, LIKE I SAID, CONSISTENT WITH THE PRELIMINARY.
UM, IT ENCOMPASSES 82 OVER 82 ACRES, LOTS OF HOMES, 282 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, NINE COMMON AREA LOTS, UM, AND AMENITY CENTER.
IT'S SERVED BY MUSTANG AND AT AND T AND COAST SERVE.
THOSE, UH, UTILITIES HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AND APPROVED BY THE DISTRICT.
THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED, JUST REVIEWED BY OUR ENGINEERING.
UH, THEY DON'T APPROVE THEM, BUT THEY REVIEW AND THEY MAKE COMMENTS.
AND THERE WAS A MINOR COMMENT I THINK BRITTANY KNOWS ABOUT JUST IN THE TITLE.
UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED ON THE, THE FINAL PLAT.
THERE'S, UH, ONE EXTRA LOT THAT IS ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE FINAL PLAT THAT ISN'T ON THE SECOND TWO PAGES OF THE FINAL PLAT.
UM, SO AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, YOU CAN APPROVE, YOU CAN DENY, YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT IS THERE'S NOT A LEGAL PROBLEM WITH US RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT.
IF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS EXPIRED, THAT'S NOT YOU, YOU, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DO, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND, AND THAT WILL BE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK.
AND I'LL WHY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO?
DIDN'T YOU GUYS HAVE ONE CONDITION? YOU SAID THERE WAS ONE THING I NEED ON HERE.
TITLE ON IT? YEAH, THE TITLE ON THE FIRST PAGE.
IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A LOT, LOT, IT'S THE ROAD.
AND THEY'VE DEDICATED THE ROAD IN THE, IN THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE AND THE OWNER'S CERTIFICATION LANGUAGE ROAD.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
YOU SAID THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS A FINAL APPROVAL TO EXTEND THE, UH, PRELIMINARY, RIGHT? YEAH.
JUST, JUST LONG ENOUGH TO TURN AROUND AND APPROVE THE FINAL.
THAT'S LITERALLY ALL THEY NEED TO DO.
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I FEEL THIS ONE.SO, SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
FIFTH AND FINAL AGENDA ITEM FOR TONIGHT.
CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
DO WE HAVE APPROVAL? WE NEED ANY CHANGES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
WE WILL ADJOURN OUR NOVEMBER 14TH, 2024 MEETING AT 6:41 PM THANK YOU, MR.